other elements added as allowing obama to hold both among those women. that also shapes the issue makes -- mix. >> immigration is not an issue that is a core based republican conservative issue. there is a sizable minority group within the party who cares deeply about it. why has it become the position of the party when in fact it is a huge ingrowing motor block for whom it is an important issue. >> we might have different views about this. when it is framed, all that matters is are you going to build a fence? i also think it is about how are these things represented. and what you obligated to say when you're pinned down. do you believe that enforcing these laws that seems problematic? the idea the dream act is that these are the good kids. it does not mean you're a bad kid if you're not in a community college or to got in trouble when you were a teenager. there's something very disingenuous about the debate we have a round this book that is because advocates want to structure the debate in a certain way. i do think that advocates have structure of the c